Oh help. I am told that some still believe that diversity is our strength. These people are powerful believers and probably could believe a hole into a bank vault or believe an anvil into flying. The fact is that diversity has been the cause of unending hostility, bloodshed, misery and social malfunction since Nordic white men imported black Africans and began killing off the Indians. Without race we wouldn’t have had slavery, arguably the Civil War, Jim Crow, burning cities, affirmative action, the Floyd riots, or cities you can’t walk in without wearing an armored bathysphere. If that is strength, I would like to see what weakness looks like.
More recently the presence of Latinos has lots of people gnashing their hair and pulling their teeth and hollering for ethnic cleansing. They say things like America is a White European Country with a shared culture and genetic unity and other things it ain’t. When the country is nineteen percent Latino and thirteen percent lack and six per cent Asian, then as sure as nuttiness in a Democrat administration in ain’t a White European Nation. And, obviously isn’t going to be.
What now? Saying over and over that unrestricted immigration was a bad idea, as indeed it was, accomplishes exactly, precisely nothing, as does ranting about how Chinese, Latinos, and Iranians are terrible folk, which they are not. The problem is that different kinds of people don’t like each other. So, just for a moment, let’s break with all tradition and think in terms of raw practicality. I claim we need to deal with the world we live in, not the one we wantto live in and that things will go wrong if, as we usually do, we try to live in a desired world that doesn’t exist. A fantasy is a great place to live, but doesn’t hold up too good if it rains.
Consider Latinos. There are about sixty-five fmillion of them in the US, along with fourteen million illegal aliens. Now, can we throw them all out, as many would like? I’m not asking whether it is a good idea, or patriotic, or moral, or whether Latinos are warm and fuzzy or rapists and narcos. I am asking whether it is possible. Thinking practically is a desperate measure, but strange times call for strange remedies.
Deporting sixty-five million in a century would mean over six hundred thousand a year, assuming they didn’t have children, which is a pretty robust assumption. In a decade, six million a year. This ignores impediments such as that most are citizens and can vote. No one who isn’t smoking Drano can believe this is going to happen. But if it is what the deportation lobby have in mind, they should say so. The public deserves to know what is being cooked up for it.
it might be worth looking at how Latinos got to America. In 1965 the United States–not Mexico–opened the border to encourage immigration. At least, that must have been the intention since it was obviously going to be the result. In essence, America was saying, “Now, Pedro, don’t you cross that river. If you do, we’ll give you a job, school for your children, medical care, and drivers licenses, and I don’t know what all, and your kids will be citizens. But don’t you cross the river, you hear?”” And who would have thought it….Pedro crossed the river. As a parent, offered such a deal, he would have been irresponsible not to.
America kept the border open for over sixty years when it could have closed it in six weeks, as Trump has just done. Liberals said, “All these poor people want is a better life.” Republican businessmen didn’t say, not out loud anyway, “All we want is cheap labor.” It is what they meant. Left and Right working together in bipartisan idiocy. It’s heartwarming.
Anyway, deporting a million would amount to less than two percent of the Latino population, which in practical terms means that they mostly aren’t going anywhere. A law of physics says that if something doesn’t go away, it stays where it is. (I didn’t go to school just tocarry my lunchbox.) So America is going to be pretty seriously multiracial whether we like it or not. Some will, some won’t. it don’t matter. We can like sunrise or gravitation or corruption in Washington. They’re going to happen anyway.
Now, some white folk just don’t much like people who are any shade of brown, and would probably dip then in Clorox is they could. These are usually called White Nationalists or WhyNats. They tend to be very English and Protestant and kind of solemn and remind me of American Gothic with better clothes. But while they can deport hundreds of thousands or maybe a million illegals, the difference wouldn’t be noticeable. So hear we come to the gret big, thumping, motingator question for WhyNats:
What do they propose to do about the fifty million or so Latino citizens who can’t be deported? I mean what practically? Fizzing and fuming and talking about Andrew Jackson and George Washington are not practical measures. When you get through, everything is just like it was when you started. How does that help things?
One answer is to keep the border closed, do nothing, worry about something else, and wait for assimilation. Which is going to happen anyway.
Another is to encourage racial hostility so as to keep the country divided and angry, and wait for assimilation to happen. Which it is going to anyway.
Other suggestions that I have heard from individual WhyNats, though not espoused formally as policy, are: break America into three racially pure countries, as is sometimes suggested? If this is the plan, say so. should we make intermarriage illegal? If so, say so. Revoke citizenship? Make employment of (increasingly Americanized) Latinos illegal? Reimpose racial segregation? If so, say so. Something else? What? Tell us.
All of the foregoing ideas would likely face “no” votes from fifty million Latinos, from all Democrats, constitutionally-minded Republicans, politicians eyeing the Latino vote, and dairy farmers who want their cows milked. Complicating things is that lots of Latinos have gone and married white Americans. How do you deport half of a child? I would rather that ICE not think about this. Add that Latino girls can be horribly pretty–the condition is endemic–and, when speaking unaccented American English and pecking at cell phones like everybody else, are not going to repel Willy Bill Jenkins who is all blue-eyed and Nordic. That’s just a practical fact. If you know anything about teenagers, you understand this.
Which brings us to birthright citizenship. The Supreme Court gets to tell us whether it is constitutional. If it ain’t constitutional now, then it never was. The Court doesn’t change the Constitution but just tells us what it means, this week anyway. So if Pedro and Maria came over illegally in 1900, their children were illegal because mom and dad were, so their children were illegal, and so on, and so most everybody Latino in the whole country is illegal.
Now, the country has been through all of this before. In the KKK Revival of the Twenties, the same people were all agitated over Italians, Catholics, the Irish, and other horrors. They mostly got over it, though I think they are still a little suspicious of Italians. The same thing is going to happen with Latinos who as a practical matter–that wretched word again–are mostly not going to go away.
So will Latinos destroy the US? Probably. Now they milk cows, which is what God wants them to do, but next thing you know they’ll all stop and go to college to be lawyers, which is enough to destroy any country, and we’ll have to drink sugary soft drinks and die of diabetes because we don’t have any milk. Of course another approach might be to go to Guadalajara and see what kind of folk Mexicans are but the ensuing shock would likely cause cardiac arrest. We’re doomed either way. There’s no hope.
Yup!!
It’s Thanksgiving Day here. pardner
Happy Thanksgiving Fred, and everybody else, too.
It’s really in the hate of diversity from which you structure your comments Fred. I have quietly followed your thinking for 15 years, but I don’t agree with most of your presumptions. You can argue for that diversity engenders a sort of natural hate (based on culture, character, skin color, ad nauseam). You can plant examples on every green patch of ground you can find, but the question remains.
What are you really thinking, and, more to the point, what grows out of the seeds you plant?
You see, hate is an internal affair, not external as you and many believe. Fred is much more experienced and smarter than you would think. Sorry to disrupt your demonstrated belief in Fred’s malignant seeds. Diversity is that mantra you try to project upon this senior citizen…
You’re projecting your emotions about the issue, onto Fred, George. Fred is thinking about it logically, not emotionally. He seems able to easily argue both sides of the issue, which shows he thinks about it logically. If you are not able to see both sides of the issue, you are thinking emotionally. Lefties tend to see things emotionally, which leads to violent protests like the George Floyd and ICE riots, and worse yet those emotions lead to incorrect decisions.
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For me it’s all about what you are, not who you are, and it has nothing to do with country of origin. If you are legal and vetted with the same rules and rigor as my mom went through?
Welcome, and I’ll come to your citizenship ceremony.
Illegal, or with out as much vetting as a sniff test, simply a wave of the bureaucratic hand to change Congressional and voting census numbers?
Get the fuck out, and I don’t care what your current job description is.
“Oh but we are separating families”. If so, too bad. That happens to US citizens every time someone is arrested and sent to jail or prison. Illegal entry is a criminal offense, and can be, along with re-entry, be a felony.
America didn’t pass the illegal alien act of 1965…
LBJ did.
Deport ALL illegal aliens.
Happy Thanksgiving
Who is proposing this ‘throw them out stuff’? Sounds like a straw man argument.
“Consider Latinos. There are about sixty-five fmillion of them in the US, along with fourteen million illegal aliens. Now, can we throw them all out, as many would like? “
Let’s look at the consequences of accepting 80 million migrants from impoverished nations. First, this 80 million will soon turn into a torrent of billions of migrants, because Africa’s exploding population of 1.5 billion will double by 2050 to 3 billion and will soon flood both North America and Europe — it is already starting. We know that the economic and social entropy in both Africa and Central America is high — i.e. their economies are both impoverished and deeply disordered. We know that entropy/trust is a key gauge of economic activity, so as our migrant population grows (their birth rates are high), the economy will shrink drastically. The poor will continually demand wealth transfers from its native rich citizens, until it is equalized into universal poverty. Wars will break out, as people desperately try to fight poverty. Wars are common in the Middle East, Africa, and were common in Central America, until we started importing those 80 million refugees. Even if we stopped importing more 3rd world refugees, sticking with 80 million migrants, our economy doesn’t have a chance, as Latin women in America have a birth rate of 3.2 children per woman, compared to 1.9 for white women. Accepting the situation doesn’t work Fred, unless we all want to live with horrid levels of poverty and violence. Recovering the nation, by deporting them is the only solution.
To paraphrase Cliven Bundy “They have a better family structures then most of us white people”.
Semper Fi Fred, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Just a thought for what it’s worth. I don’t care what country your from, what race you are, what sex, what religion you believe in or if you don’t. Your in my country, you obey the laws the same as I’m expected to . You break the law, you pay the penalty, no excuses, if you’re found guilty. When I served in the Marines, we had people from all races, often from other countries, one fellow in boot camp was from Egypt, couldn’t even speak hardly any English. Do you think the Drill Sergeant gave a fuck, hell no. You fucked up everybody paid. After boot camp, same thing, you broke the rules, you paid. I’m tired of all the whining and bitching. You voted for the biggest bunch of criminals, irregardless of political party, who break constitutional laws constantly, and this has carried over to law enforcement, judges, corporations and common citizens. What the hell do you expect? Without deserved loyalty and a sense of common decency, you will live in hell and you will deserve it. Nuff said.
Hi Fred,
There are reasons why the status quo will remain, whether most like it or not.
My main reason for writing is to wish you and your bride a Happy Holiday season, good health, and I hope you’re making some progress on your vision issues.
Glad to have you writing again but I don’t understand your column today. Are the immigrants going to assimilate or not? If yes, the different groups can live together. If not, there will be friction. You seem to be arguing both sides.
You do not deal with the social and political friction going on. If the country devolves into an authoritarian government, whether white, Mexican, Muslim, Asian, or whatever, things can move very fast, including immigration and deportation. Your placid approach is not realistic or rational these days; I wish it were but it is not.
Sigh. Yeah. I’m from a small country you all have probably never heard of. The English call it Wales. We of the country call it by it’s real name, which is Cymru. It’s part of the British Isles.
There is much ado in England now, (they keep calling it Britain, but its only england) that they are on the verge of Civil War. There’s an academic, bright guy, Professor Betz of Kings College Uni, who specializes in the strategies of war. (A search will quickly find him, his books, papers and Youtube interviews) He has it down as a certainty. And it’s going to be “ethnic”. This is English people who are AngloSaxon, vs imports, largely illegal, who are either Arab and Islamic or African anything.
It was predicted by a bright guy a few decades back now, who got mocked for his efforts by the bleeding heart liberals of his day, he and his claim “if you allow this, there will be blood running in the streets”. And it will.
You see, unlike Americans, Russians, and other folks, The people of the British Isles – that’s the English who are predominantly the AngloSaxons, the Cymraeg who are Celts and the Scots, who are Gaelic, are an Island people. This makes a difference – because once you reach the border there’s nowhere else to go. You have your back to the wall. This makes for violence.
It was caused, of course, by those Prof. Carroll Quigley so sapiently called “The Network”, who have been manipulating peoples for their own ends for years. It wasnt caused by the English, who are now at the point of struggling to put food on the table for their kids, or the Arabs and Negros flooding in illegally in blow up boats and being put up in hotels and fed very well by a Government few understand and no one likes. But they will fight and many will die.
You see, the Global Network Oligarchs, billionaires and trillionaires, are ignorant of much. And one thing they are ignorant of is a basic Law of the Universe. It is that “Like/similar will be drawn to and will form the strongest bonds with Like/Similar”. This occurs at the atomic level, at the plasma energy level, among caves of bats and in human social groups. It’s so basic, it’s in everything. And you cant beat a Universal like that. But The Global Network didnt so much think they could beat the Universe, as they have no idea of it.
So I dont think there’s a lot of point in trying to work out what anyone thinks they are going to do about it. Because the Universal Law will work. Like will go to Like. And that might not be what we expect. I am white. But I would be more drawn to sit and talk with Thomas Sowell than some semi-naked screeching pop singer because she was (a) female, like me, and (b) white, like me. Differences will emerge, and as the old saying tells us “like minds find each other”.
Just work out which kind you are and wait and see what happens I suggest.
When I backpacked across Europe, forty years ago, throughout a summer, the people who impressed me the most were the people from Wales — Cymru.
30 million or more illegals from the Biden administration, on top of possibly 20 million prior to Biden, is a huge, unacceptable change to America’s demographics. Americans did not vote for this.
Immigration without assimilation is not beneficial to America.
From Danial Garza, Executive Director of The LIBRE Initiative: 30% of Latinos in America do not speak English. Latinos who learn to speak English have 12 times the lifetime earnings of Latinos who do not learn English. Accommodating a second language traps immigrants in poverty and government dependency and impairs assimilation.
Immigrants who don’t speak our language and don’t meld into our society should be discouraged.
The border must be closed, and immigration should be limited to legal immigration at a level that does not harm American workers, previously thought to be 1 million per year, additionally enabling high tech immigrants deemed beneficial to our economy –.
We don’t dislike immigrants in general. We only want to minimize immigrants who don’t assimilate, cannot be self-sufficient, or are criminals.
Fred, Happy Thanksgiving from a fellow Hampden-Sydney alum. Agree with most of what you say. Our government’s psychotic approach to immigration thanks to dawdling politicians has allowed illegals to assume they are safe no matter what country of origin. Time to allow short term visas for those that merely want to work but not leave their home permanently and those that want to move here permanently legally undergo the legal process. It’s not rocket science.
Fuck you old fart.
Whether wet from the Rio or the womb, if ANY wetback barbarian in the country doesn’t “assimilate” — if ANYBODY is allowed ANY excuse to reject the common culture and follow only his own — either the barbarian or the country must fall.
Whatever your skin-shade or eye-shape or sad family story you’ve cherished for the last 200 years, nobody better care: Fit in or f#ck off.
Learn to speak and read English, to show up on time, to obey the law. Only saboteurs and morons insist on calling that “acting white.” But OK, if you insist: Act white. Or else.
The USA used to be a High Trust culture, and you, you miscreant, flaxen-haired or nappy, thick lips or thin, can hang from a tree with sign around your neck if that’s the only way you can help to make it one again.
Exceptional as usual Fred. Hope you are back with us to stay! I say NO that Latinos will destroy America!
Yes, there is a problem…. There is always a problem(s). If not for the border and the Latinos it would be something else. And it’s NOT just the Latinos – it’s All the Illegals that came over the border. The future problem — The Genuine Trojan Horse is the influx and take-over of America (and the world) by the Mooslims most of whom are coming legally. But that problem is deferred for the future and Americans are not looking that far ahead with Sharia Law in their home towns. It will happen sooner or later with weeping and wailing, screaming and hollering after it is almost too late.
Yes, there is a problem with illegal Latinos; however, I will take all the legal Latinos we can get. Most are hardworking honest people that will support the idea of America and help make us grow. I wish I had a Latino neighbor to help me with my Español.
And you are correct we will never deport all the illegals that Biden and Company allowed to flood across the southern border. We MUST however, get rid of the criminal illegals that came from all corners of the world. People must realize that the illegal criminal/murder alien is not always Mexican. Quite the contrary — Biden and the Democrats inflicted a grave injustice on us for which he/they will never be held accountable.
I think the plan below works in addition to the legal immigrant program in place for years. First, rapidly get rid of all the illegal criminal element for which Trump and ICE are doing exceedingly well if the bleeding hearts can be controlled and not turn on ICE and the National Guard.
Next, identify the remaining Latino illegals and issue them a permanent ID card to be renewed periodically while tracking these individuals within the US. NO WELFARE, MEDICAL OR BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP unless one marries a US citizen. If any of these “remaining” illegals step out of line with a serious crime …. Boom! They are deported on the next available flight or sent for a locked-up vacation down in the swamp in south Florida. If anyone is caught without their issued ID card — give them a chance to register. If they don’t register…. again… Boom! They are swiftly deported. Ensure all the remaining illegals have an adequate command of English to read and understand road signs etc. even to get an ID card.
Then after “X” number of years of good behavior and support of America, give the once illegal alien a chance for citizenship – the same course that is offered legal immigrants.
I am not an expert in community development etc.. however, all the condos and apartments that I see being built in my area lead me to believe there is room for everyone who wants to live and work in America. I ask my wife frequently…. Where are all the people coming from to fill all these new buildings?
Personally, I think we need the Hispanics and some others in America. Perhaps they along with Oriental citizens can teach our Black Community and welfare recipients relative to working hard, staying in school while remaining crime and drug free to get ahead in the world. I don’t think it is that hard to live the American Dream.
I say No to the notion that Latinos will destroy America IF they will assimilate as Americans. There are plenty of cows to be milked in America and much more…..
–Jack B
Maybe I don’t get around enough, but I’ve never known anyone who wants to deport U.S. citizens from the U.S. no matter what color of skin or nation of origin. Pretty it’s those here illegally that we’d like to see deported.
nineteen percent Latino
The majority of the Latinos have Spanish or Portuguese blood, last I checked Spain and Portugal were European…
Good job, Anon. Your groundbreaking insight has solved the problem. Looking forward to voting for you as the next Democrat Vice President!
I view your response as a non-sequitur.
I have to agree with Fred on this one. I have gauged the mood on social media and I believe that a lot of white Americans are starting to oppose the ICE raids as deeply excessive. The videos of children and elder and teachers being attacked and handcuffed are painting Trump’s administration in a bad light and will lead to Democratic sweeps in 2026 and 2028.
The only way we can get an overwhelming majority to support the deportation efforts is if a bunch of illegals do something super-stupid. Maybe a bunch of brown gangstas from the barrio will shoot up a black church. Maybe Mexico will invade Texas and use the Hispanics here as a fifth column. But I don’t think either of these will happen.
Fred, I don’t know if you have the time to answer this particular comment, but I would appreciate it if you do:
What are the prospects for Latinos converting to Islam? 7 decades ago, black Americans were told that Christianity was the white man’s religion … that it was an Abrahamaic creed that was corrupted by white Europeans for the purpose of enslaving people of color. Malcolm X was the leading spokesman. We still have a lot of blacks converting (or is it reverting?) to the Muhammadian faith today such as Mike Tyson, Kareem Abdul Jabaar, and David Chapelle.
I believe that this is the real reason why the federal government passed the Civil Rights Act and Affirmative Action. If they didn’t, I could imagine that after 9/11, we would be dealing with millions of black jihadis within our borders (as opposed to the relatively lesser social problems in the black community today).
But now, Trump wants to deport all Hispanics, blow up boats in the Caribbean, and invade Venezuela. I have heard that Muslims are reaching out to Latinos to convert them using the same line of reasoning. The abuse that Trump is inflicting may drive Latinos into the arms of the jihadis. They will become allies against the Great White Christian Oppressor. Have you seen any sign of this happening?
The question is, what does Islam say about drug dealing, and Atheism?
Both are the creed of Communist Venezuela.
I suppose the idea is to get them to convert, then worry about what they are converting to after.